In this eye-opening episode, I sit down with Jason Earle, founder and CEO of 1-800-GOT-MOLD and creator of the GOT MOLD test kit. We dive deep into the world of indoor air quality, mold testing, and the intricate relationship between our living spaces and our health. Jason shares his journey from Wall Street to becoming an indoor air quality crusader, offering invaluable insights on mold detection, remediation, and the often misunderstood aspects of mold-related illnesses.
Is The Air In Your Home Causing Your Symptoms?
Podcast Transcript
Welcome back to the Inspired
Living with Autoimmunity podcast.
I’m your host, Julie Michelson,
and today I’m joined by Jason
Earle, a man on a mission.
Jason is an adoring father,
incurable entrepreneur, and
indoor air quality crusader.
He’s also the founder and CEO of 1 800
GOT MOLD and Michael Lab USA, as well
as the creator of the GOT MOLD test kit.
Jason’s experience with chronic illness,
loss, and childhood challenges led to his
current perspective that the best gifts in
life don’t come wrapped in pretty paper.
In today’s conversation, Jason shares how
he moved toward a life of contribution
as a mold and wellness expert.
We discuss the home as the extension
of the immune system and how it can
make you sick or support your wellness.
Jason guides us through mold testing
and remediation, do’s and don’ts, and
shares his truly educated and balanced
perspective on health and healing.
Jason, welcome to the podcast.
Still good to be here.
We, in full disclosure, I had to, you
know, we just had to stop like mid
sentence and say, we should hit record
because this conversation is, is too good.
Um, so I’m, I’m so, I was already so
excited to have you on the podcast.
Um, and now I’m even more jazzed for
the audience and listeners to, to just
kind of, Um, you know, get a little
peek into the real world of people that
are trying to change the conversation
and, and contribute to wellness.
Um, so, but let’s rewind a little
bit and I’d love for you to share.
You have an amazing backstory.
Um, which could take the whole podcast,
so we won’t, but a condensed version.
I, I think your, your
life has been fascinating.
Um, and so, you know, how did you get
from the kid you were As we just discussed
growing up in Jersey to the man who
is helping people, you know, again,
improve wellness and, and specifically
learn about mold and mycotoxins
and, and, you know, the importance
of the air quality in their home.
Well, first of all, um, thanks again
for having me and, uh, thanks for the,
for the, for the, the warm introduction.
Um, and it’s always fun to, uh,
to connect with a fellow, uh,
Um,
so, uh, and we were just one town away,
which is pretty, pretty remarkable, right?
Um, So, you know, I mean, I think
my story could be summed up as, you
know, no adversity should be wasted.
Um,
you know, and, uh, and if I were
to say that there’s been any one
particular pattern in my life that’s
made me useful, it’s that the, uh, I’ve
recognized that the best gifts in life
don’t come wrapped in pretty paper.
Yes.
You know, so, um, and so I
kind of look for those things.
I mine my life for, uh, that those kinds
of opportunities because, um, you know,
it’s paying it forward, those experiences.
So, um, my, you know, to just go back to
sort of the beginning, which is usually
the best place to start, uh, when I was
four years old, I was suddenly ill, uh,
so severely that my parents took me to
children’s hospital of Philadelphia.
Uh, I lost a lot of weight and I
was having difficulty breathing and
so the initial diagnosis was cystic
fibrosis, which was devastating to
my folks as it would be any, any, any
parents, but in particular, my, my
dad had lost four of his cousins to CF
before the age of
14.
So this was their worst case worse.
This is their worst nightmare coming true.
You know, um, And so, uh, thankfully
six weeks later, they got another, uh,
second opinion and I didn’t have CF.
I don’t have CF.
Um, uh, I had asthma compounded
by pneumonia and, uh, a battery
of allergy tests revealed that
I was allergic to every single
thing that they tested me for.
So it was like the entire litany.
And I grew up on a little non working
farm surrounded by every allergen
possible, uh, in high concentration.
And so I lived on inhalers until I was
about 12, at which point my folks split up
and I moved out of that musty farmhouse.
That’s on all my symptoms.
Went away.
Um, and nobody thought anything
about it, uh, anything of it.
In fact, I remember them saying,
well, you know, pop up grew
out of his asthma, um, two.
And so, uh, it was just dismissed as
what they call spontaneous adolescent
remission, which is a fancy term for,
we have no idea what we don’t know.
So, uh, so fast forward, actually,
there’s two, two, two events
that were pretty profound.
Um, the fall within that no
adversity should be wasted category.
Um, I was diagnosed.
Uh, my mom died suddenly when I
was 14, uh, to suicide, which is
actually relevant to the conversation.
And then, uh, and then Lyme disease, uh,
I was diagnosed a year later with that.
I still don’t know if I actually had
it, but I do know that I got all the,
all the antibiotics, which sent me for,
you know, quite a, quite a, quite a
journey through, you know, dysbiosis
and learning about, you know, a low
carb diet, the benefits of, of, uh,
eliminating refined carbohydrates.
And so basically I’ve been on
keto for, you know, 25 years, um,
just because of digestive issues.
It turns out that was actually a good.
Um, and then I ended up because I miss a
lot of school, I ended up, uh, dropping
out of high school to get my, I was going
to get my GED in psychology or early.
And I ended up through this insane
circumstance, uh, meeting a guy at
the gas station who, uh, recruited me
to come work for him on wall street.
Um, so I was 16 at the time and, uh,
within a year I had become the youngest
licensed stockbroker in history with
against world record, which is a total,
uh, podcast for another, another podcast.
Another.
Exactly.
Um, did that for nine years, uh, and
then grew more and more disenchanted
with the fact that, that I was, you
know, uh, the only people that benefited
from my success.
Yeah.
Just, you know,
the only people that benefited
from my success were the people who
owned the stores where I shopped.
And it was just, you
know, money for money.
And, um, my mom had raised me to, uh,
to, to contribute to the greater good.
She was a nurse.
Uh, she gave, uh, of herself to all.
Uh, fault, uh, but she was a, she
was a, a beacon of, uh, contribution,
you know, she really was.
And so, uh, so I ended up deciding
to, to, to, to walk away from Wall
Street and, and, uh, went backpacking.
And while I was away, I, I, I was
in Hawaii and I was reading a story
about a guy who’d gotten sick from
the hotel where he was an employee.
Uh, and it, it turns out it
was a historic mold problem.
Uh, it was a $55 million mold
remediation project in Oahu.
Uh, still to this day, the the
largest, uh, in, in history.
And, uh, there were a lot of stories
about people that had gotten sick from
the building that it blamed the mold.
But this is way early in, in the
game before no mold was even taken.
Seriously, you know, um, and, but this
one guy’s story really jumped out at me.
He was 40 something, uh, developed
adult onset asthma, which I had never
even heard of and allergies to all
these things he’d never had before.
And, uh, and it was
like my life in reverse.
I just, it was just red flash.
It was just boom, you know, Hey,
Jason, pay attention, wake up, you
know, here’s your, here’s your path.
Um, and so.
It was in what captured my
attention was not so much the
mold as fascinating as it is.
And the more I learned about it,
the more fascinating it really is.
Um, what fascinated me and what captured
my attention still to this day is, uh,
our relationship with our buildings.
The fact that a building
can make you sick.
Right.
And, and, and now what I’m fascinated
with is the idea that buildings, uh,
can actually allow you to heal, right?
So it used to be this dark thing where
I was, you know, fascinated by the,
the disease states that it could cause.
Now that’s just so, so obvious.
Um, what I’m more interested in is
how we can do this differently and,
and, and how we can start better.
If we can start better.
In the first place, the
right way, that’s ideal.
But you know, what’s, what’s really
amazing is when you get these things
straight, um, then all sorts of
other healings can happen that have
nothing to do with the building.
Um, and you know, even relationships
heal, you know, families heal.
Like there’s a sanctuary.
The idea of a sanctuary, um, is so
multifaceted, uh, that it’s beyond
breath, it’s beyond, you know, Uh, asthma,
allergies, autoimmune disease, even it’s,
it’s, it’s, it’s a, it’s a holistic in
the W H O L E, uh, sense of the word.
And so, um, and so this is, you know,
this has been 23 years, I guess I’ve been
in this space, um, which is a blink of
an eye and, you know, and it just, it’s
amazing to me, but, um, and I learned
something new every day because there’s
so much emerging science around this.
And, uh, so yeah, it’s
been quite a journey.
So what happened was I came back from,
from, uh, Hawaii armed with a lot of
curiosity and ended up getting into
the remediation business for a hot
minute and saw that it was a hot mess.
Um, and, uh, decided
to, to do inspections.
I was learning a lot at night, reading
a lot and taking, you know, courses.
Um, building science courses
at universities and stuff
like that, wherever I could.
And uh, decided I wanted to
do something to help protect
consumers from the contractors.
Um, because the contractors were just
taking people for, for, for a ride using
chemicals instead of cleaning and often
charging outrageous prices, leaving
buildings worse than they found them.
Uh, and so, uh, so that, that, I,
that the purpose behind me getting
into this space, uh, really bristled,
uh, against, uh, That whole thing.
And so, so I got involved in, uh, the
inspection side of things doing it.
Usually we’re free at
night, uh, while I learned.
And then I, I got a beat on a mold
sniffing dog, believe it or not.
I, I saw it in the news about a dog
trained to sniff out mold in buildings.
And I thought, Oh man, that’s just
about crazy enough to be brought.
Um,
and, uh, so, so I, I dove into the deep
end and Oreo, who is my four legged
partner and I, um, Um, got a lot of
national press, uh, and we found a lot of
hidden mold and solved a lot of problems.
Never did it.
Never had to advertise it at all.
And that company became 1 800 GOT MOLD.
Um, it started as lab results
cause we use Labrador retrievers,
uh, and laboratory testing.
Um, but we, but we became 1 800 GOT MOLD.
And then, um, in recent years, uh,
it was frustrating to me that the
people who needed us most are the
ones who couldn’t afford it for us.
So, uh, so that, that led to the, to
the genesis of, uh, the Got Mold Test
Kit, which is the Uh, most affordable
high quality at home test kit available
in the market, which is, you know,
which is what brings us here too.
I love it.
I love it.
Um, accessibility.
Yeah, and that evolution, right,
is like first the awareness
and then how can I help?
What can I do?
What’s broken with this system?
And then how do we, how do we get
the right stuff in people’s hands?
Um, because it is, I, I had
a, I built the home that I’m
in right now, seven years ago.
Um, and I have, you know, all hard
surfaces, all it, it was, you know,
You know, I was way more educated than
I was the last time I built a home.
Um, and I am fortunate.
I, for some reason, I enjoy
building my, my sanctuary.
Um, and shortly after, I don’t even think
I was here a year when I was suspicious
about a mold issue and doing what I do.
I know enough to know new
home doesn’t equal no mold.
And so I know how expensive It
was, you know, I know how to
get the good inspector, right?
And so I know what I paid.
And, and we talked about this
and we’re going to circle back
to, you know, this vigilance.
Um, and so I am vigilant.
I have in the past been hypervigilant.
Um, so I spent money that You know,
I wouldn’t expect anybody to spend
without a health issue without a,
because I had some visible mold.
I wanted to make sure
there wasn’t other mold.
Um, and even just that testing process
and knowing what the remediation estimate
was, I ended up not needing remediation,
um, because, you know, You know, we’re
exposed to all kinds, not all mold is bad.
And maybe we can talk about that too,
or, you know, a concern for health.
Um, I did make some changes, but so I, I
know firsthand, and then having clients
that have had to remediate, um, and just
the whole, I mean, that’s an additional,
there’s the finances and the trauma of
that whole process for somebody who.
usually at least one person in the
family is already really sick, right?
So it’s a, it’s a big thing.
And, and I love, I remember actually,
and we didn’t talk about this before
we hit record, but I remember the first
time I met you, um, we just, I happened
to be speaking at a conference and you
were, I saw you just tripped across your
booth and, and, um, I was really, really
excited because until then, at least
in my knowledge, there wasn’t really
a good way for people to reliably, I
mean, people were still, you know, doing
army tests and sending them in, but
they still do.
Um,
you know, but there wasn’t a reliable
way for somebody to test their own home.
Um, and so I love that you just
It’s like, okay, now we know.
And, and, um, for those of you that
haven’t heard of the mold sniffing
dogs, they’re real, they’re amazing.
Um, I know we have some people
here in Colorado doing it.
It makes perfect sense.
If they can detect cancers,
why can’t they detect molds?
Like molds, not even a
moving target, right?
So, you know, it’s just sitting
there just spewing it’s, it’s gases.
And so, no, it’s the, one of the
easiest targets ever really for dogs.
Yeah.
So I have 5, 000 directions.
I want to go with the conversation.
Um, so I will say right here
with listeners and as my witness,
I want to have you come back.
Um, because I know what I thought I
wanted to talk about today, but I,
I know we need to talk about what’s
going on in your life right now.
Yeah.
Um, because it, it relates to this whole
conversation, maybe before we jump in
there, because I do get carried away.
I’m a damn not chatty Jersey girl.
Um, it just happens here.
So exactly.
Um, before we do, we jumped to
that, let’s, let’s talk, just
educate listeners about gut mold
and, and why this is different.
So, you know, what is
the difference between.
Someone doing their own army
test and somebody using got mold.
Um, you know, because I think
it’s important for people to
understand just the, the difference.
Yeah.
A little contrast.
Um, well, and let me first start
off by saying that there’s no silver
bullets when it comes to testing.
Um, and, and people want to have
a test that will eliminate the
need for a professional, uh, and
that there’s, that does not exist.
This is why Ermie is so problematic is
because people do use it as a beyond all.
Uh, it is promoted as that.
It’s actually the most wildly
flawed test that’s available,
uh, because it is always high.
And so what it does, it’s like a
broken clock that’s right twice a day.
Um, it, it, it, it, it supports
commercial confirmation bias.
Uh, I can, I mean, it is, it is
a cognitive bias, uh, Rats Nest.
Um, and it is used by professionals
that are both well intending,
well intended and, and, uh, with
mal intent, uh, in equal doses.
Gotcha.
’cause it drives a ton of revenue.
It drives a ton of revenue
for, for protocols.
It drives a ton of revenue for
inspections and remediation.
It’s a lead generator
for an entire industry.
And so it’s a real problem and
it confirms people’s concerns.
So even if you don’t have a mold problem,
but you’ve got this, if you’ve got,
if you’ve got symptoms and you do an
irmi, you’re gonna say, see, I knew it.
Right.
And, and you’re, there’s, I’m,
I’m, the Ermey found the mold.
No, the Ermey didn’t find the mold.
The Ermey found spores.
And spores are abundant in our world.
So abundant are they, that kingdom
fungi produces 50 megatons.
Kingdom fungi including mushroom,
mushrooms and microfungi.
So that’s yeast and molds.
Produce 50 megatons of spores
every year, which is the
equivalent of 500, 000 spores.
There are more than, you know,
a thousand blue whales, okay?
This is 20 times as much tea as the
entire world consumes every year.
Most of them land in the prairies and
the mountaintops and the ocean and so.
But the point is, is that we are abundant,
spores are abundant in our world.
Uh, they are the most prolific
biological particulate, uh,
that we, that we encounter.
So the fact that spores happen to be
hiding in the corner with dust bunnies
is not a sign of a mole problem.
It’s a sign of a normal environment.
And in fact, we need mold spores
in our environment to a limited
degree because they are what’s
known as hormetic stressors.
Um, they, they provide us with a
little bit of a little, it’s like
the dose makes the poison, right?
Paracelsus, right?
It’s one of the fundamentals
of toxic, toxicology.
And so we need these little
stressors in our life to teach us
what’s normal in the environment.
And, and so if we absent those, we
end up being actually hypersensitive.
We end up with real problems, right?
Oh, like
going into a lockdown
during a, like a viral.
Yeah.
We’ve, nobody knows what that’s like,
you know, and you know, and then a lot of
people went overboard with that stuff too.
And, and, you know, and, you know,
fear, fear, fear drives a lot of,
you know, Understanding our body and
our immune system is like without
exposures, we have no protection.
So, you know, it’s.
Yeah, I love that, that you highlight
that because just like not every form of
everything, you know, and, and I, I may
have, you know, mycotoxins in my house.
I’m sure I do every, you know, I may
have something going on in my house.
Um, it’s not always, and I want to hear
kind of your approach for people, but
sometimes what’s going on in the house
is not what’s showing up in the body.
And so it’s not actually the problem.
Yeah, well, we’ll talk about mycotoxin
testing, but boy, you know, if
you think I’ve got opinions about
ermine, wait till you hear what I
have to say about these urine panels.
Um,
so, so what we, what we have here
is, you know, basically a test that’s
20 years old that’s based on an EPA
study and, and it’s, and it’s been
hijacked and used as a, as a, as a
tool, uh, that, by the way, sexy.
DNA bases, PCR, right?
So like, it’s got all this
appeal to people that are in the
sciences and the health space.
But, but the fact is
that it is always high.
And I know this because I’ve been doing
inspections for 23 years and I’ve been
in, I followed up on high Hermes with
mold sniffing dogs for 18 of those
years, or 12 really with the dogs.
Um, and.
And, uh, and so I, I, I, I know that
we could only confirm the actual
conditions of a building supporting
the Ermey score in less than 10
percent of those cases, which means
that there’s, there’s no correlation.
Zero.
And every professional I know
that’s, that’s reputable and thorough
would, would concur with that.
And it’s so severe that, you
know, the people that I talked to
who write the industry standards
that are on the, on the website.
Industry standard committees for both
the inspection and the remediation
side of the business are calling for
the EPA to, to actually, um, pull,
pull it, pull it from the, ban it
from the labs, but the labs continue
to sell it because it’s so lucrative.
Um, and you know, there’s no longer even
patent patents, not protected anymore.
So they don’t have to pay royalties even.
So it’s even more lucrative.
So, um, so it’s a real problem.
Um, and it is not a useful tool,
no matter what anybody says.
Um, it is, it is a tool of.
It’s an inflammatory tool, no pun
intended, uh, or maybe it’s pun intended.
Um,
and
so, so anyway, so that, that, so
that’s one of the reasons why, why
we created the Gottmall test kit was
because I saw so many people being
harmed by, by this, this misinformation.
Um, so now the other tool that is,
that’s kind of, is the inspector that
comes in and just does quick samples
and then doesn’t do an inspection.
So what I wanted to do was just
knock that guy out of the box.
You know, if you’re going to come in
and just do a quick, a few samples
and then just send someone a report,
I can do that, but they don’t have
to spend a thousand bucks, uh, or
2000 bucks to have, have the pleasure
and privilege of, of, of doing that.
Right.
So what we did was we, we created an
air sampling pump, um, that duplicates
a professional piece of equipment.
That’s a thousand bucks and,
and requires calibration.
We make ours for a whole lot less.
Um, Um, people call it the egg, um,
and it pulls air through a spore
trap, which is the most common form
of air sampling, uh, on the market.
Now, some people will say, well,
it doesn’t find hidden mold.
Well, neither does an Ermey.
Um, it’s confirmation bias
that finds, Ermey finds spores.
So you’ll always have a high reading and
you may not always have a high reading
with an air sample, but that doesn’t
mean that the Ermey found mold that you
would, that, that, that’s meaningful
and meaningful data is meaningful.
Data is not meaningful.
Meaningful debate is meaningful.
Um, and so, so what we decided to do was
just take that sliver of the market and,
and, and, and democratize it so that
anyone can test their air, uh, without
having to schedule appointments, uh,
without having to, um, you know, deal
with conflicts of interest and all that
kind of stuff now, but here’s the catch.
Because there’s no silver bullet,
you can actually test your air.
You’ve got two kinds of mold.
Let me back up.
You’ve got two kinds of mold,
mold on a wall and mold in a wall.
Mold on a wall will generate
spores that can become airborne.
Mold in a wall, generally
speaking, doesn’t.
Um, and so, so if you’ve got a musty
smell on normal spore accounts, which
can happen and happens all the time, we
know that you have a hidden mold problem.
Well, guess what?
That means you have to
hire a professional.
In most cases, you may have to.
Anyway, someone who’s got specialized
skills and I hope you hope you don’t,
I don’t, I, sorry to interrupt you,
but this is such a pet peeve of mine
because I, I know really educated
people that are like, I’m going to,
we’re going to remediate it ourselves.
Oh, my husband’s an engineer.
And I’m like, no.
Stop it.
Don’t you open that wall?
Don’t the learning curve is
steep and the cost of failure is high.
And so this is like, you don’t do
open heart surgery on yourself.
You don’t, you, this is
surgery on your house.
Make no mistake.
If you know, when you,
when you look at the way.
We interact with our buildings.
They are, in many ways, they’re
an extension of our immune system.
You could, you could paint this picture
of the building as an organism, uh,
with lungs like the HVAC, and the
plumbing is circulatory, and the nervous
system is electrical, and, you know,
you start looking at the building,
wow, and the building gets sick.
Usually it’s from, you know, a
failure to, to shed when in water,
water gets in the walls, it gets
sick, it develops inflammation.
Inflammation is, shows up as mold.
Mold sends a pain signal,
it’s the musty smell.
You go all the way down here and
you, what you realize is when the
building gets sick, we get sick.
And then when the, when, and then when
the building heals, so too can we.
So we’ve got this symbiotic
relationship with our buildings, right?
This is not just boxes that we live in.
And, and so when you start
thinking about your, an inspection.
Or even testing.
Think about mold testing, like our
test, as a, like a pregnancy test kit.
It’s a, it’s a first step.
It’s a cost effective step.
Right?
It’s not the, and it’s the beginning.
And this is the beginning
of gathering clues.
And if you go to the doctor with, you
know, with a high cholesterol reading
or something like that, uh, they’re not
going to immediately schedule a stent, you
know, or an open heart surgery, you know.
They’re going to say,
hey, let’s do a physical.
Yeah.
How are you feeling?
You know, what’s your diet like?
You know, and that’s what an inspection
should be, where you’re actually gathering
data about the state of the building.
It’s a physical of the building.
And then if necessary, then
you, then you, then you go with
a team approach to surgery.
Um, and that requires the oversight.
Usually you’ll engage your, you’ll engage.
you know, multiple professionals for that.
And so you should have an inspector
involved that will spec that
out and that will, you know,
sort of shuttle you through.
Um, and then you do the requisite testing
at the end to make sure it’s been done.
So, so I, I highly encourage people to
think about this in phases and steps.
And to think about this as a, as a, as
a, as a learning experience, not just a
problem to solve, because if you figure
this out and you learn how buildings
operate and you learn where the water
gets in and you learn how these materials
handle water, actually mishandle water,
um, then, then you, then you will become
armed to, to, to handle these things
better when it happens, because it will.
You know, uh, we, we, our,
our homes are built to fail.
They are disposable.
Paper mache chemical boxes that
get moldy quickly when they get wet
close to airtight.
And they’re too airtight.
So we rebreathe the same toxic air.
And when I say toxic, I’m
not being, I’m not being, uh,
you know, uh, uh, hyperbolic.
Um, you know, we, we, we used, uh,
Of carcinogenic building materials.
It’s insane that, that, that, that
we regulate everything, but we
allow building materials to be,
uh, made of the things that they’re
made of and that they get moldy.
Um, and then off gas, both ma manmade
VOCs and then also microbial VOCs.
Um, and, and, and so we, and then
we rere them 20,000 times a day,
you know, 13 to 15 times a minute.
It’s 20,000 times a day.
That is, that’s 20,000 doses.
Okay, so, if you take 20, 000 doses of
anything, you’re going to, that’s going
to be cumulative, and, and so if that is
not pristine, um, then you, that is, that
is, that is going to work against you.
So it is, your indoor environment
is, um, is this really cool place.
Where you have a disproportionate
amount of potential for control, uh,
unlike any other area of your life.
Yes.
Right.
I always say
create, make your home, your
Haven, and then you’ll have, you’ll
form that resilience to handle
the outside world hits and all
the stuff that we can’t control.
You need to rest.
You need to rest.
So, so we, so this is the backdrop
for all of the, the reason that we
created this test is not to solve the
problems of testing because it is a
way for you to actually get involved,
get into our knowledge funnel.
You know, we don’t, we make the tools, we
offer the knowledge and we hopefully raise
the awareness and those three things.
So, uh, so, you know, if you just
bought a box and, and, and take
the samples and then get the kit,
get the results, and then you just.
Take the reading and that’s it.
And you think that that’s the, that, that,
that you’ve done everything you need to
do, then, then you have misunderstood
the entire purpose of what we’ve built.
Um, the purpose is to arm you with
the, with the tools, knowledge,
and awareness that you can start to
really become, it’s like the teach a
man to fish versus fish more, right?
And so we want to teach people how to fish
and we want people to, to understand how
to operate the, this, this thing, which is
a unique extension of your immune system.
Um, and, and to, to, to, to learn how,
how the rhythms of the building actually
impact the rhythms of your, of your world.
Um, and they’re inextricably connected.
So, um, and so we’re, by the way, in, in
the, in, in the same breath, uh, we’ve
got this test that we’ve developed,
um, which is a spore trap based test.
We’ve partnered with the number
one lab in the world, Eurofins.
So we’ve got the best results
you can possibly imagine
when it comes to spore traps.
Um, and our report is
super easy to understand.
It’s green, yellow, orange, red.
Um, um, and, uh, and we’re also
working on a dust test to, to
solve the problems with army.
Um, and, um, we’re also working on some
human diagnostics, see, this is a secret,
um, but, uh, uh, and so, so we’re working
on a really neat, a really cool, uh, blood
test for mold exposure that is actually
a test for mold exposure as opposed
to a test for food based mycotoxins,
which is what, which is
what those, which is what
those urine panels are.
Um, the urine panels are.
are another tool, uh, that’s unfortunately
been used, uh, and then abused to, uh,
extract, um, extract, uh, resources from,
from people knowingly or unknowingly.
Um, airborne mycotoxins are really
not a big deal, believe it or not.
I know that sounds crazy, but
unless you’re in a high sport count
environment where the mold’s been
recently disturbed, and also, uh,
that’s very significant amounts,
mycotoxins do not become airborne easily.
Uh, the data on this is very strong.
Uh, the data that supports airborne
mycotoxins is not only weak, it’s zero.
Um, there’s not been one person,
not one, there’s not one study.
This is not, I mean, it’s,
the study is this high on food
as a source of mycotoxins.
Sure.
And there is not one study that
shows the supports inhalation
as a primary exposure route.
Not one, not one.
And I get, and I challenge.
So I’m
going to ask you, when you’re talking.
studies.
You’re not saying airborne
mycotoxins can’t make us sick.
I’m saying that you, this is, this
is, this may seem crazy, um, airborne
mycotoxins, uh, may trigger in small
amounts a disproportionate, uh,
response in certain individuals.
However, they do not accumulate in
the body to show up in urine panels.
They’re, it’s, it’s, the
numbers don’t line up.
And so, so what, what you
have here is, uh, is a lot of.
Uh, leaps, scientific leaps that
are made, get there are gaps that
are just, uh, there’s conflation.
Uh, there’s all these ideas that just
get, well, so it’s a real problem.
Um, what was really making people
sick in buildings with mold
is, um, is the microbial VOCs.
The gases, the musty smell,
these are neurotoxic, and these
do become airborne easily.
They do show up in the
bloodstream in the urine.
They are, uh, you know, one particular
compound, 1 which is the mushroom alcohol
that kind of typifies the musty smell,
is 40 times more toxic than toluene.
40 times.
Okay.
Wow.
Uh, and so, but no one tests for
this because it’s hard because
there are parts per billion here.
It’s very small concentrations.
Um, and so, uh, so, but the mycotoxins
are really easy to test for, but
they’re not coming from your air,
um, unless, unless you have very high
spore counts because the mycotoxin
cannot become airborne by themselves.
So this is an important point.
They have to be on a carrier particle.
Uh, spores usually, but also,
uh, household dust, building
materials, things like that.
That means it has to be disturbed.
Which is why
I get so upset when people are like, Oh,
I’m going to tear that wall open and see.
Yeah.
Don’t do that.
Now.
Yeah.
You just gave it a
vehicle.
Don’t do that.
Yeah.
And, and so, so listen, in the next,
in the next phase, so most people
who are getting sick from mold are
not getting sick from the mycotoxins.
They really truly are not.
They are getting sick from the.
Uh, because again, the quantities
are not sufficient to generate
the kind of widespread illness.
And also, let me also say this, only
about a hundred species produce them.
So if we’re, if we’re going to blame a
hundred species on all the mold related
illness, when we’re talking about a
hundred thousand species in existence
and about a thousand commonly found in
buildings, um, we’re going to say that
we shouldn’t worry about the other ones.
Uh, and I, and, and, and while some
molds are more benign than others, all
mold growth produces the musty smell.
Uh, and so, and, and we know that
these are toxic compounds, both in
terms of just pure toxicity, cellular
toxicity, but also neurotoxicity.
So that’s why you get a lot of
the cognitive impairment and
the, you know, you see, see a
lot of the really heavy stuff.
The digestive issues that molds
produce are, by the way, probably more
induced by the mycotoxins in food.
And so there, we have a Venn diagram,
that’s why I always say that you want to
get better, it’s air, food, and attitude.
Air, you got to get your VOCs,
you got to get the chemicals out
of your house, and you got to
get the mold and dampness fixed.
Food, you got to eat clean, you got
to get rid of the processed stuff,
and you’ve got to get rid of the
conventional meat and dairy, because
they’re getting a lot of carryover.
And then attitude is the
big one.
That’s the, the part, and I would say
start with attitude, even though I
just cut you off when you were saying
attitude, but the, the part about the
mycotoxin panel that I, that I do love,
and I just learned so much, and, and
I’m gonna shift approach, is that You
know, the, because there is the data in
the food system, the things that, that
they’re telling you to avoid if you
have high mycotoxin exposure are the
things that are inflammatory anyway.
And it becomes, that’s a whole
nother conversation with,
you know, is it the gluten?
Is it the glyphosate?
I don’t know.
Is it the mycotoxin or is it
the, you know, it doesn’t matter.
Don’t eat it.
That’s right.
Don’t
eat it.
You can do a lot by, and by the way,
I agree with you on the attitude
part because a lot of people land
on the attitude and attitude can
sound dismissive, um, and it’s not,
that’s not what I mean by that.
And I use that only cause it rhymes.
Uh, it’s really more mindset and
it’s also a phys, a psychophysiology.
So there’s a problem we get into is where
our nervous system gets whacked out.
Um, and so, you know, I see real healing
happen with neural retraining, I mean,
really profound, deep healing, and so
much so that oftentimes people who I know
that have had the worst, I mean, death’s
door, that have 180 degree turnaround,
they often will say that they think it
was the neural retraining that really
cured it, and, uh, and so now they’re
resilient, now they can, you know, you
know, be in moldy buildings even, or
go into a hotel or an Uber with the
air fresheners and not have that, you
know, this unbelievable fight or flight.
And so, uh, I often, I agree with you.
I think if you really are, if you’re
really sick with this stuff, you should
start neural rich training immediately.
Uh, primal trust, DNRS, you
know, uh, but also just it’s more
acceptance around these things.
You know, it’s a part of our normal world.
Yeah.
And I do think it, again, back
to the, the psychophysiology
and I’ll really dumb it down.
Everybody, you know, has, has heard of
placebo effect and we all think it has
to do with prescriptions, but it’s not.
It’s a process in the body.
Um, I mean, it can be.
But it really does help healing
exponentially quicker, I think.
Um, and it took me a while in
my practice to realize, Oh, we
shouldn’t just get to that later.
Like let’s, let’s front load that
and make everything else work better.
Um, and so I love, especially if
we’re talking about mycotoxins, I
mean, often even over zoom, if I
have a consult with somebody over
zoom, you know, using my intuition
is always part of directing, right.
Or, you know, what are,
what am I prioritizing?
What am I thinking or feeling?
There is like a vibrational
energy that certain people
with mycotoxin illness have.
That I immediately, like, I know within
the first two minutes of talking to them,
or I expect that that is a major thing
driving their inflammation and, and it
almost always is like, I can feel it.
I can’t describe it to you how it
would be different than somebody else
with a different kind of anxiety.
Um, but there is something about.
What those little,
what’s going on in there.
Um, and it’s real, I’m not saying
that means it’s in your head, right?
We’re not saying you can retrain your
brain and that means you were never sick.
That’s not what I’m saying.
I’m saying, you know,
it’s really powerful.
It is.
And let me, let me clarify this
because I’m someone who went
through the mold related illness.
I was fortunate enough to
get out of it early enough.
that I didn’t have, and I was pubescent,
so, and I also stopped eating lousy
food, which was, by the way, you
know, I, so I, I was automatically
detox, I, I don’t, I haven’t eaten, I
haven’t participated in that form of,
of diet in a long time, uh, and so,
so as a result, inadvertently detoxed.
Um, and so, uh, but what, what,
what happens here oftentimes is,
and it is ironic and we can talk
about my house all the time.
Um, but it, what you end up with
is usually it’s a chemical exposure
that creates a mold sensitivity or a
mold exposure that creates a chemical
sensitivity and it’s a Venn diagram.
All right.
And so you’ve got this huge overlap
and because the mold again produces
VOCs, the musty smell are our VOCs
and those VOCs are, can, are, are.
I would, I would assert that they
are on an evolutionary basis.
We are, we recognize them as decay.
This is a very important thing, right?
We know we have a visceral response to
feces, vomit, dead animals, the smell.
The smell of a rotting mouse.
And mold
is in the same category, I
think on an evolutionary basis.
And so our sense of smell is, is
wrapped up around the trigeminal
nerve in the face, the olfactory
sense and the trigeminal, which is
a, which is a, uh, which is a, a
primal Uh, nerve set, cranial nerve
set in the face that has this, these
amazing chemosensory capabilities.
They’re like a spidey sense and they
can pick up compounds way below the
odor threshold, uh, including pungent
VOCs, which, and by the way, which
the musty smell is comprised of.
And so, so what happens is the body, Uh,
becomes attenuated or it becomes, you
know, hyper, uh, it becomes exposed and
then goes, wait, no, I got that again.
Okay.
Yeah.
And then boom, shut down.
So your sinus closed down, sinus
sinusitis, your lungs closed down asthma.
You know, you get headaches, you
get inflammation, you know, by
the way, the trigeminal nerve
will kick off a cytokine storm.
And so, uh, you know, this is,
so this is what looks like.
inflammation is inflammation, but it’s
actually sensory nerve irritation.
And this can happen at really super
tiny, I mean, incredibly small exposure
levels, um, once you become sensitized.
And so I’m not saying that the,
that the illness is not real.
On the contrary.
Um, what I’m saying is that it, a
lot of it has to do with the illusion
that your nervous system has created.
So it is essentially fake.
fear at the, at the,
at the systemic level.
And so learning to A, accept the
fact that, like I said, we’ve got
50 megatons of spores in our, right.
We live on planet fungi, right?
Yeah.
Uh, being afraid of mold is
like being afraid of gravity.
You know, you, you, you, that this
is a very unproductive way to live.
Um, we have to accept the fact that
we live on planet fungi and that
our buildings are made of mold food
and you’re not going to move from
building to building to building
and actually get away from it.
Yeah.
It’s not going to happen.
Uh, you, what you have to
do is, is, um, do the work.
And by the way, the work
is the neural retraining.
Um, and, and, and be vigilant about,
uh, moisture control, chemical, uh,
reduction and avoidance whenever
possible, uh, and then a clean diet.
And if you do those three things, I’ve
never seen anybody not get better.
Um, but if you leave any one of them out.
You probably won’t.
And so it really is.
And it takes work.
And so sorry, you know, there’s no pill,
potion or powder that’s going to fix this.
Um, but if you do the work, um,
I see those people get better.
And by the way, you also
have to believe you can.
Or tell yourself you can,
until you believe it.
Yeah, I mean, you gotta
step into those shoes.
However, however
you get there.
Yeah, you
have to affirm, and you gotta, you
know, you gotta, you gotta believe it.
You gotta at least, you gotta,
you gotta, you have to have
that vision of, of, of healing.
You have to, you have to affirm
that this is, uh, that this is
not the way your life has to be.
I have to say,
I’m, I’m really so surprised.
I already said in the beginning, I was
excited for our conversation, but I’ve
spoken to a lot of people who end up and
for some reason, especially in the mold
realm, people who become mold experts.
and a pigeon holed in this little
narrow box and everything is mold,
everything is mold, everything
is mold, everything is mold.
And you are the most well rounded
mold expert I’ve ever spoken to.
And I like genuinely appreciate that
because we are whole humans and, and
You really just gave us such a great,
just the way you explain, like, what is
going on in the body and, and kind of
what’s real and what’s fear tactic and
why, you know, well, if we’re getting
that fear triggered anyway, even if we’re
not aware of it, and now the industry
and, and I’m not even just saying mold
expert and even, you know, I’ve been
guilty of it, the functional medicine,
integrative medicine, um, And then this
whole inspectors and all the, you know,
there’s a lot of fear piled on and, and
just remediating your home, if that’s what
it needs and not changing everything else.
Or not everything else, but at
least, you know, the chemical
reduction and the clean diet.
I mean, it always is tipping point.
Like you said, we’re all
exposed all the time, right?
So why it’s the same.
I had that thought when you, when you
mentioned have, you know, being diagnosed
with Lyme when you were younger.
Um, It used to really, really annoy
me when my fiance, who I’ve been
working with for eight years, used to
say, you know, okay, so she has Lyme,
like, but why is it making her sick?
So many of us have Lyme, you know,
would test positive for Lyme.
It’s the what, what’s going on in
her body that it’s not kicking it.
And I used to get frustrated because
I wasn’t fully, fully well yet.
Like, you know, Oh, I know
you’re a doctor, but maybe
you just don’t understand.
And I’m like, Oh, he’s always right.
You know, because we should be
able to handle these things.
If we take into, you know, if we are.
Working to reduce our toxic exposure,
making sure we’re not living in a, you
know, musty, moldy home, you know, doing
the things, not eating the gross food.
I mean, I think of if I, if I had
something sitting on the counter and I was
still living back in Florida where it was
like a million percent humidity, right?
And it was just sitting in a,
some kind of container and it
was, Just completely moldy.
Would I eat it?
Why, why is that?
Okay.
That grains are handled
that way in our food system.
And then we eat meat
that ate those grains.
I mean, not all of us do, but why is that?
Okay.
For that every restaurant you go into
is, is, is, is, is why we cook at
home.
Yeah, no, I mean, it’s,
it’s so abundant that.
You know, it is the norm,
not the exception, right?
And so you have to be vigilant.
But going back to the beginning with
a hyper vigilance is fear driven.
Vigilance is discerning.
And so like, it’s, I always say it’s
like approaching a traffic light.
You know, traffic, traffic
intersections are dangerous.
You can, I mean, people die in
intersections every day, all every, I
mean, just, you know, every 10 minutes
probably there’s a traffic accident
with someone dying in an intersection.
You drive up to one of them and you,
you potentially could be very fearful
about approaching an intersection.
But the reality is all you have to
do is watch the signals and, and,
and, and be discerning, make a left
when appropriate, make a right, just
making, making informed decisions.
So you can either approach it with fear
or you can approach it with discernment.
And that’s the decision making
process that is the difference
between vigilance and hypervigilance.
You know, you have your hands on
the steering wheel.
Vigilance is, I, I had
mentioned this earlier.
I believe an often, you know,
typical part of the healing process.
Absolutely.
Um, it’s not a healthy place to stay.
And what I want to do, um, is invite you
back to have that second conversation
about just that, um, and about how
we stay vigilant and what happens
to even people like you and myself
when we’re not, I think it’s another
really, really important conversation.
And I want, I want listeners to
be able to digest this, um, and
under understand a little bit.
I do have one kind of.
Mold testing, remediating
question for you.
Total opinion question, but obviously
on the record since we’re reporting.
And you can tell I, I
don’t have any opinions.
No, me either.
What is, but on this one, yours
is definitely more educated and
I do something instinctually.
And sometimes I say, you know, I’m
cynical because I am a Jersey girl, which.
Just means I, I question, um, if somebody
is at where the, you know, they’re going
through the mold inspector process,
maybe they started with got mold test and
they got mold, you know, um, and they’re
going to the next level and they’re, and
they’re looking for an inspector and or.
Or they’ve had an inspection
and they need a remediator.
Do you have feelings about companies
that do both under one umbrella?
Yes, I do.
I have strong opinions about this.
And I also would like to talk really
quickly before we, before we break,
um, before we end this about, uh,
the things to be aware of in addition
to any sort of at home testing.
So this is, there’s a rubric, if
you will, that, that, so, uh, so
first of all, companies that do
testing and inspections are a no, no.
It’s unfortunate that a lot
of places are rural and do not
have the diversity of offerings.
So as a result, many of them do
butter their bread on both sides.
I do know some that I would
say probably are ethical.
However, the room for abuse is too great.
And the profitability is
also too, too tempting.
And so, uh,
orthopedic surgeon, you know,
you’re going to get surgery.
Yeah.
I mean, don’t go, don’t ever ask
a barber if you need a haircut.
Right.
Um, and it’s just, you get a
little mechanic and ask for safety,
you know, and say, Hey, is there
something wrong with my car?
And you’re going to get a big girl, right?
It’s just, it is, it is
the nature of the beast.
And, um, and also, uh, I also deal
with a lot of remediators who are
not qualified to do an assessment.
They don’t know anything about mold.
They know a little bit
about buildings maybe.
Um, but they truly don’t
know anything about it.
They all want to use
chemicals, by the way.
Uh, and I have to really, I mean, I.
I have to educate these guys every
single time about the importance of not
using antimicrobials and chemicals, um,
and fogging and all this kind of stuff.
There’s an industry standard that
specifically Ed specifically, uh,
uh, advises against these things.
And all these guys claim to be certified,
but no one follows the standard.
Um, so, so I, I think it’s
important to have, uh, an inspector
who does follow the industry
standard, the I-I-C-R-C-S five 20.
Who will oversee it?
Who will, who will keep you,
who will keep your contractor?
Accountable, uh, and that
will, uh, be your advocate.
An inspector is really your advocate, um,
is not just a guy that’s gonna find mold.
Somebody who should guide you through
the process, uh, who gives you a written
work plan, uh, you know, who, who will,
uh, hold the, the, the remediators
accountable, uh, and, uh, Um, if they
fail and then and make them come back and
do more work without without additional
compensation until the property has been
restored to a normal condition, which
is what the, which is what the standard
defines as a successful remediation.
Normal condition, not
mold free, not sterile.
Uh, it is a normal condition, which
means that there’s gonna be some spores,
but there’s no active moisture problem.
There’s no excessive fungal growth.
There’s no excessive fungal matter rather.
Um, and, uh, and there’s no musty
smell and there’s no people having
symptoms, um, that are transient.
In other words, when you leave
the building, you get better.
Um.
Right.
So, um, and that’s a good segue into
the final piece here, which is, I think,
using a test kit, as I said, is not a
silver bullet, uh, there is no silver
bullet, um, and, uh, so what you want
to do is, here, here’s, here’s how
you know if you’ve got a mold problem.
Doesn’t matter if you’ve got
high spore counts or not.
Spore counts are important, because mold,
mold, obviously high spore counts is a
mold problem, um, but if you have a musty
smell, you probably have a mold problem.
If you have a history of water damage,
and I’m not talking about a leak one
time, I’m talking about a history of water
damage, dampness, uh, excessive dampness.
Um, so we’ve, we’re talking about
condensation on windows in the
wintertime, especially, um, where
you’ve got, you know, uh, high humidity,
70 percent or more for three or
four days is enough to create a mold
problem, significant mold problem.
So, or if you have symptoms that get
better when you leave the building.
Um, if you have, Any of those things,
you probably have a mold problem
regardless, by the way, of sport counts.
So ready for it.
So, right.
So we’ve got a, if you’ve got a high
sport counts, musty smell, symptoms that
seem to get better when you leave the
building, a history of water damage.
If you say yes to any of those.
And no to any, any, any other ones.
It doesn’t, the no’s don’t
negate the yes, right?
It’s just like,
it’s just like, it’s
just like cancer, cancer.
You can, you can, if you want to
diagnose a building, if you want to
diagnose a body, same kind of thing
you do, if you’re, if you’re looking
at for cancer, you don’t just do a
blood test, you’ll miss a lot, right?
You’ll miss a lot of cancers.
If you just do a blood test, if
you just do imaging, you’re going
to miss all the blood cancers.
Right?
If you just do a physical, you’re gonna,
you’re gonna miss all the internal stuff.
So you have to do a physical, you have to
do imaging, you have to do bloods, right?
You look at the whole person.
And buildings are the same way.
So you have to look for, you have to
take, you have to engage your senses.
And that’s why I always say, if
you see something, smell something,
or feel something, do something.
And do it quickly, because it only
takes 24 to 48 hours for a moisture
problem to turn into a mold problem.
So, uh, so it is, it is one of those
things where you don’t want to wait.
Uh, you don’t want to wait a week
until your, you know, husband or wife
comes home from, from, from travel.
Or until the insurance
adjuster gets there.
Right.
You
know, you’ve got 24 to 48
hours when something gets wet
and stays wet before mold.
It starts to grow.
So, um, and the longer you wait, the
more expensive it is to, to remediate.
And by the way, insurance only covers
water damage in the first 72 hours, FYI.
So if you do have a water damage
issue and it is big enough to engage
insurance, they will not cover it past
72 hours because they don’t cover more.
So you have to move
quickly on these things.
Uh, this is not something you want
to sit around and wait, wait on.
Amazing.
I mean, there’s, I, I’m, I’m going
to go back and listen to this
again, again, and take more notes.
I mean, packed with just a lot of
gold, really, really incredible,
um, information, because I know
if I’m learning things in, in
this conversation, when this has
been such a big part of my path.
Um, then I know listeners
are getting a lot of value.
So I highly recommend in addition, in
addition, if I can grab, get you back on
to talk about our topic on, on vigilance
and, and what happens when you’re not,
even when you’re educated and even when
you do this kind of stuff for a living,
um, because I think there’s a lot of
value in that too, but, but this one is
definitely, definitely, um, um, No, no.
And what is, this is like totally
just a minor detail, but, um, what
is the test turnaround time now?
So we have, uh, everything goes by prior.
So when you, when you use a kit, you
collect the samples and it goes back,
the samples go back into a prepaid
return mailer and that is priority mail.
So it’s one to three business
days, uh, in the mail or post.
So it was us postal service time.
Plus, uh, maximum three
business days at the lab.
So usually it’s a two day turnaround.
So we, we usually get results out
to people in like five days or so.
Um, and, uh, all with our, with
our kits, uh, all, uh, lab fees,
shipping, both ways are all included.
So there’s no, nothing else
that we didn’t include.
No hidden.
Yeah.
No hidden fees.
That’s the other thing.
We just wanted to make it really easy
and simple and transparent for everybody.
Um, and by the way, for your listeners,
um, uh, we created a, a, a welcome page.
Um.
Nice.
And so, so anyone who’s interested
in learning more can go to gotmole.
com slash.
inspire.
Um, you know, so, uh, and there
you’ll find a link to an ebook.
We, uh, created, it’s about 46 pages of
inspection checklist and FAQs and, you
know, really useful mold information for
anyone who’s early in their mold journey.
But I even have, I’ve had mycologists
that are Building scientists tell me,
man, that book, you should sell it.
You shouldn’t give it away.
I’m reading
it.
Cause I mean, I already learned so much
and I’m not a newbie to this conversation.
It’s really, we built it, we created
it to, to, to try to give people, uh,
uh, a, an easy safe way to, to not have
to deal with the misinformation that
they’re going to get from Facebook.
Facebook groups, which is just all
fear, um, and all misinformation.
Just burn your house down and leave
with the shirts on your back and
everything’s gotta be thrown away.
Take the shirt
off your back is what they say.
Yeah.
I mean, it’s, it’s unbelievable.
So, so this is, this is, this
is, this, this is unfortunately,
these are the most inflamed people
that are not getting better.
Don’t take advice from people.
If I haven’t gotten better, um, take
advice from people who have gotten better.
Um, and so we also created a 10
percent coupon code for anyone who’s
interested, which is inspire 10.
And then you can find that,
that, uh, coupon code at,
uh, on that page, got mold.
com slash inspire.
Um, and then anyone who wants to get
in touch with us, you know, we’re
really easy to find, Instagram.
I have an, ask me anything post there.
That’s like evergreen.
I just have the pin.
So anyone who
wants to ask, I answer
every, every single question.
Um, Thanks.
And, uh, and so that’s, that’s
always there and, uh, yeah,
so, uh, just, if anyone has any
questions, we’re here to help.
Amazing.
Incredible.
So before I let you leave.
This is your opportunity.
You can repeat, you can pull
something new, but listeners know
to be ready for what is Jason’s one
step listeners can take starting
today to improve their health
trick question.
I know.
Open your windows.
Thank you.
Love it.
Get
outside.
You know, you know, we, we’ve
separated ourselves from nature.
It’s a, you know, the word human
comes from humus, which is soil.
Um, and, uh, and we have, we
have essentially disconnected
ourselves from our true heritage.
And, uh, and I believe that
that’s the root of most, uh,
autoimmune disease, honestly.
Uh, the fact that we are no longer
exposed to mold spores, uh, on
a, on a, on a regular basis.
Transient.
But, but nature is, is, you know,
um, they say within the, the,
within the wound lies the medicine.
Um, and so, uh, and I, and I believe
that that’s true, uh, here as well.
And so, you know, be vigilant about
your house, you know, clean up water
quickly, all that’s good stuff.
Have a vacuum, use your filters and all
that stuff, but then open the windows and
go outside and re engage and take your
shoes off and, you know, take a walk in
the woods, um, because this is where.
We, we spent 99.
9 percent of our history as
humans outside only the last very
tiny rounding error part of it.
Uh, you know, this infinitesimally
small percentage of our
existence as species indoors.
And this is when we’ve had asthma,
allergies, autoimmune disease,
cancer, uh, autism, all these things
skyrocketing in just two generations.
What have we done wrong?
Well, it’s, it’s these boxes we
live in and it’s the fact that we’ve
separated ourselves from nature.
So go open your windows,
take a deep breath.
You know, it’s all going to be okay.
Jason, thank you so very, very much.
My pleasure
for everyone listening.
Remember you can get those show notes
and show notes and transcripts by
visiting inspired living dot show.
I hope you had a great time.
Seriously.
Listen to this like three or four times.
I’ll see you next week.